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 Post subject: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:06 pm 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 17 Jan 2014
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So I'm going to try again. I last mbed the morning of the 17th. I probably won't be posting much unless something interesting happens, but I need to post or else I'll forget when I started. :p

My wd history is that in 7th grade I had a wd. I was sleeping on my back. I could feel the contractions deep inside in a way that I normally can't which I thought was neat. I was too distracted by that and I didn't notice any good feelings. I woke up either while or right after it happened. I could feel the cum and knew what happened and just fell right back asleep without changing my briefs or even checking what happened. :cool:

A few years ago somehow I got to thinking about wds and came across this site and since then I've tried getting a wd now and then, but without success. But I have enough experience now to know what not to do, and so far as long as I'm not doing obviously dumb stuff it's gone smoothly. So I'm going to keep on going until I have a wd (and then I'll reevaluate) or until I lose interest.


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 14 Jan 2017
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Hi,Qubeley,wish you can attain the goal you set.I'm challenging to have WD, too.(I never had one)

Though the process may be torturing,but i will be a good journey! :greetings-clappingyellow:


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:38 am 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 01 Jan 2017
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Good luck


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:07 am 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 16 Jun 2016
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Hey Q,
i wish you good luck on your path to WD
I wish AB will go well, and you will be able to experience a WD soon
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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:41 pm 
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I wish you good luck ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:40 pm 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 17 Jan 2014
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Thanks guys. :)

Today was smooth sailing but it's only a few days in. Tomorrow I'll be pretty busy so it shouldn't be bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:31 pm 
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Keep busy! It's a good strategy.


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:33 pm 
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One week. :)

One night I was taking things too far, but I managed to stop. Two mornings I did indulge myself a little but not enough to be dangerous. My plan is to avoid that altogether though, because one thing leads to another.

One of those things that people talk about for dieting and all of that kind of stuff isn't to try to overcome things with brute will power (because humans have very little will power as much as we like to think otherwise), it's to engineer your life so that there are less opportunities for failure. It's not really possible to do that for ab, because it's not like you can chop off your dick and lock it in a box, it's always attached to you and you always have to go to bed and things like that. But starting to mb or watch porn or fantasize about things is a point of failure.

And yet I've always known that and still haven't done well in the past. :p

But I feel like this is the time. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:36 pm 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 16 Jun 2016
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Hey qubeley
I hope you're still on
Good luck maybe 2 weeks soon


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:30 pm 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 17 Jan 2014
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Thanks, I just finished day 12. 2 weeks will be soon. :)

The last few days, waking up and going to bed I haven't been horny at all, but there was a night and a morning where that wasn't the case. Overall I'm doing good.

From what other people have reported it sounds like the first week is the hardest, so I'm glad to have gotten past that.


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:49 pm 
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Well so today I was bad and started watching porn. :p

While I was watching I was very sensitive and ended up making a lot (for me) of precum. A spot about 1.5 inches wide and 2 inches tall, plus some little dabs here and there. And that area was pretty wet, although not enough to expand the patch bigger than what it was. I didn't exactly mb, I was just watching, but after a while I did start rubbing through my pants a bit.

In the past when I've failed it's usually not from cumming during the day. It's from getting horny during the day and then carrying that over to bed time. So no nothing tonight, period. And tomorrow too I need to be more disciplined. Ideally I'd just be completely non-sexual until the night I'd be surprised by a wd, but that's harder said that done. I need to remember that I've already done ab a few times and have already had those experiences, but I haven't experienced a wd, and that's the real goal.


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:20 pm 
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Hey qubeley,
:greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow:
Stay strong and focus
2 weeks Ab is really really near now :happy-bouncygreen: :happy-bouncygreen:
I'm sure you don't want fell like :x :angry-cussingblack: :angry-banghead:
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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:07 am 
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Thanks! I last mbed 2 weeks ago today, and tomorrow will be 2 weeks of complete ab. :)

I survived last night and this morning perfectly fine, so I'm back on track again. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:37 pm 
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:greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow: Congrats for your two weeks :greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow: :greetings-clappingyellow:


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:15 am 
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If you've had a wet dream before, when did it occur after falling asleep?: 3-4 hours
Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 17 Jan 2014
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Thank you :)


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:20 pm 
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Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 17 Jan 2014
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So last night I peed, got into bed, and then got a boner. Sometimes I can kind of tell that the boner rubbing on the inside of my boxers is too much stimulation, so I lowered my sheets and underwear down so nothing would touch it.

Instead of going away the boner got harder, and I just laid like that on my back for like 3 hours. I had a throbbing boner during pretty much the entire time and during some points it was so hard that even if I had flexed it it wouldn't have moved at all because it was already at its max (and I did literally no flexing/kegels or touching during the entire time). Two times my penis felt tingly and I thought that I might cum but I didn't. I did decide though that if it happened I'd be ok with it because it was something novel and I couldn't do anything less than nothing in order to prevent it.

Eventually I had been there for so long that I noticed I had to pee again, and that somehow snapped me out of the danger zone and I was able to safely go to the bathroom. I didn't sleep well after that and I still had a boner until after I had gotten up and started going about my day.

I thought that that would make today a tough day, but once my day started everything was fine. I do wonder though if I would have had a WD if I had already been asleep when the super boner struck.


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:28 am 
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Well unfortunately I blew it last night.

It's aggravating and disappointing because I had been going long enough to get into potential wd territory. I went 20 days, and maybe at day 30 or 40 I might have had a wd but now I'm back to 1. Even if I was getting wds regularly 20 days might not be enough. Hopefully it won't be much of a setback.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:17 am 
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sorry to hear that :angry-banghead:
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GOOD LUCK for your new streak
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:28 pm 
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Thanks! :)

Nothing to report since it's day one.

I just checked and it looks like my previous record was 20 complete days. This time I made it 19 days.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:31 pm 
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I've been trying to understand more about what causes WDs. Researchers haven't attempted to directly answer that question but maybe some other connections can be made. Although I think the basic strategy of AB is unavoidable.


My current theory of wet dreams is that they're the result of testosterone spikes. I've included links where I have them but a lot of it is just stuff I've been reading lately.


1. The wikipedia article links to a source which says the following about night time boners (penile turmescence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal ... tumescence )

"Nocturnal penile tumescence (NPT), the occurrence of spontaneous erections during rapid eye movement (REM) sleep, is relevant. The neurophysiological basis of NPT is still disputed, but one plausible explanation is that REM sleep is associated with a ‘switching off’ of the noradrenergic cells in the locus coeruleus (l.c.) (Parmeggiana & Morrison 1990) which, via their spinal projections, are probably associated with inhibitory tone in the penis. Thus, the reduction of inhibitory tone during REM permits what can be called ‘excitatory tone’ to be expressed as erection." http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/c ... 3/411.full

Wet dreams have to happen during this time because at other times the penis activity would be chemically blocked. Wet dreams also tend to happen during actual dreams (even though not everyone remembers the dream) which also happen during REM sleep.

It's also known that getting bad sleep can lower testosterone.

This would imply that getting longer, higher quality sleep would result in more REM cycles and more opportunities for WD.


2. People have natural fluctuations of testosterone that follow cycles.

This blog post (https://bare5.com/2015/05/06/guys-and-t ... e-of-year/) links to two studies, and includes graphs. Normally we can't see the graphs because the papers are gated. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6841562/)/ http://www.maturitas.org/article/S0378-5122(12)00403-3/abstract

The graphs show that, once again, testosterone is higher at night than during the day. BUT! This pattern is only for "young men" (average age 17) and is not there for "old men" (average age 52). Even if young and old men hypothetically had the same overall levels, for young men it would be concentrated at night. If WDs are caused by testosterone spikes while sleeping, this supports that, because this would explain why young men get them more easily than old men.

That blog post also links to a study about annual cycles but the abstract is not at all confident about it, so not much weight should be put into it.

Testosterone also fluctuates from day to day, and that this is also in a cycle. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1117056

"These 12 subjects had cycles of plasma testosterone levels with periods ranging between 8-30 days, with a cluster of periods around 20-22 days. The majority of such cycles were significant at least at the 5% level. The mean amplitudes of these cycles ranged from 9 to 28% of the subjects' mean testosterone levels (average 17%)."

Or in other words, we also have testosterone cycles that last for 8-30 days, with lengths commonly being between 20-22 days. So one guy testosterone might be higher every 9 days or another guy every 25 days.


3. AB causes a testosterone spike. Most of us have probably seen the Chinese study that showed that AB does not increase testosterone, except for a spike at about 7 days in. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

"The fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline".

If AB causes a testosterone spike, and WDs are caused by testosterone spikes, then that would support the connection between WDs and AB.

The study only lasted for 16 days. I might speculate that if the study had lasted longer more spikes might have occurred.


4. Spikes vs overall testosterone levels. Boys in puberty are the ones most likely to have WDs, but they're also the ones who have the least overall testosterone. I can't directly confirm this because most of the search results are sex ed pages. But all of the generic graphs I've been able to find have testosterone starting very low and increasing to adult levels over the course of puberty, in contrast to say, immediately going higher than adult levels during puberty and then lowering once finished. So I can't confirm it, but an adult will have more testosterone than a 12 or 14 year old.

This would either mean that it's not the baseline amount that matters, but the spikes from baseline that count. Or it could mean that the total amount counts but that during puberty the spikes are super high despite overall levels being low (maybe the difference between young men and old men in #2 is even more extreme between very young men and young men). Or it could mean that my idea is wrong. :p


5. If this is all true then the practical takeaway from this would be to be healthy and get good sleep in order to have normal testosterone levels and lots of periods of REM sleep. And then to AB until you get lucky and your various testosterone cycles line up and you get a spike.


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hey Quebeley
i do understand you interest in WD and trying to get at the bottom of that
There are few things you need to keep in mind when analysing data :
One of the main (which is one that tend to be forgotten too often these days incuding by scientists )
if the difference between causality and correlation :
here you will find few exemples that will show why it's important :
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
i can tell is there is a strong relation between NPT and WD
if you take into account that people might not remind their dreams
i guess the relation between dream and WD is more strong, WD being a dream with consequences...
Thus the explaination would more likely to be found in brain :
So there either you can go for bio-chimistry approch, either psychological approch ....


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Thank you for replying. :)

I understand what you mean about correlation vs causation. But what I mean about REM sleep is that it has to occur during that time because at other times (if I'm understanding correctly) that area of the body would be paralyzed.

It's hard to separate dream content from WDs. It's possible that a sexy dream could aide in having a WD. But it's also possible (I lean towards this option) that the WD itself is causing the sexy dream. In the same way that your alarm clock gets worked into your dreams, or getting tangled up in your sheets results in you being trapped in your dream. Especially because so many people report having non sexual dreams, or very suddenly sexual dreams. But if you're capable of having erections and orgasms while you dream then why couldn't the dream content help out?


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So I guess I should say that I'm not trying right now. Motivation is my greatest downfall. Sometimes it seems like a good idea, and sometimes it seems like too much work just to have one novel experience. I'm not into any of the lifestyle stuff. I still think a wet dream would be fun, but I also don't think I care enough to put the effort in to actually getting one. So I probably won't try again. But AB was a worthwhile experience that I wouldn't have had otherwise.


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Circumcised or Uncut?: Uncut (Intact)
Precum Production: Some Precum (2-4 drops before ejaculation)
Average time to orgasm/ejaculation normally: 5
Underwear worn when going to sleep.: Nude - no underwear
Have you ever had a spontaneous ejaculation?: no
If you've had a wet dream before, when did it occur after falling asleep?: 4-5 hours
Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 16 Jun 2016
Sex: Male
hey Qubeley,
that the way it goes. that great to know you had worthwhile experience in AB.
If you see more drawbacks than good points, yes maybe it's better to stop.
I hope we will still have you around anyway
Good luck :handgestures-thumbup: :greetings-clappingyellow: :handgestures-thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:50 pm 
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Age: 28
Number of wet dreams you've experienced: 280
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Underwear worn when going to sleep.: Boxer briefs
Have you ever had a spontaneous ejaculation?: yes
If you've had a wet dream before, when did it occur after falling asleep?: 3-4 hours
Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 20 Aug 2017
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qubeley wrote:
I've been trying to understand more about what causes WDs. Researchers haven't attempted to directly answer that question but maybe some other connections can be made. Although I think the basic strategy of AB is unavoidable.


My current theory of wet dreams is that they're the result of testosterone spikes. I've included links where I have them but a lot of it is just stuff I've been reading lately.


1. The wikipedia article links to a source which says the following about night time boners (penile turmescence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal ... tumescence )

"Nocturnal penile tumescence (NPT), the occurrence of spontaneous erections during rapid eye movement (REM) sleep, is relevant. The neurophysiological basis of NPT is still disputed, but one plausible explanation is that REM sleep is associated with a ‘switching off’ of the noradrenergic cells in the locus coeruleus (l.c.) (Parmeggiana & Morrison 1990) which, via their spinal projections, are probably associated with inhibitory tone in the penis. Thus, the reduction of inhibitory tone during REM permits what can be called ‘excitatory tone’ to be expressed as erection." http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/c ... 3/411.full

Wet dreams have to happen during this time because at other times the penis activity would be chemically blocked. Wet dreams also tend to happen during actual dreams (even though not everyone remembers the dream) which also happen during REM sleep.

It's also known that getting bad sleep can lower testosterone.

This would imply that getting longer, higher quality sleep would result in more REM cycles and more opportunities for WD.


2. People have natural fluctuations of testosterone that follow cycles.

This blog post (https://bare5.com/2015/05/06/guys-and-t ... e-of-year/) links to two studies, and includes graphs. Normally we can't see the graphs because the papers are gated. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6841562/)/ http://www.maturitas.org/article/S0378-5122(12)00403-3/abstract

The graphs show that, once again, testosterone is higher at night than during the day. BUT! This pattern is only for "young men" (average age 17) and is not there for "old men" (average age 52). Even if young and old men hypothetically had the same overall levels, for young men it would be concentrated at night. If WDs are caused by testosterone spikes while sleeping, this supports that, because this would explain why young men get them more easily than old men.

That blog post also links to a study about annual cycles but the abstract is not at all confident about it, so not much weight should be put into it.

Testosterone also fluctuates from day to day, and that this is also in a cycle. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1117056

"These 12 subjects had cycles of plasma testosterone levels with periods ranging between 8-30 days, with a cluster of periods around 20-22 days. The majority of such cycles were significant at least at the 5% level. The mean amplitudes of these cycles ranged from 9 to 28% of the subjects' mean testosterone levels (average 17%)."

Or in other words, we also have testosterone cycles that last for 8-30 days, with lengths commonly being between 20-22 days. So one guy testosterone might be higher every 9 days or another guy every 25 days.


3. AB causes a testosterone spike. Most of us have probably seen the Chinese study that showed that AB does not increase testosterone, except for a spike at about 7 days in. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

"The fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline".

If AB causes a testosterone spike, and WDs are caused by testosterone spikes, then that would support the connection between WDs and AB.

The study only lasted for 16 days. I might speculate that if the study had lasted longer more spikes might have occurred.


4. Spikes vs overall testosterone levels. Boys in puberty are the ones most likely to have WDs, but they're also the ones who have the least overall testosterone. I can't directly confirm this because most of the search results are sex ed pages. But all of the generic graphs I've been able to find have testosterone starting very low and increasing to adult levels over the course of puberty, in contrast to say, immediately going higher than adult levels during puberty and then lowering once finished. So I can't confirm it, but an adult will have more testosterone than a 12 or 14 year old.

This would either mean that it's not the baseline amount that matters, but the spikes from baseline that count. Or it could mean that the total amount counts but that during puberty the spikes are super high despite overall levels being low (maybe the difference between young men and old men in #2 is even more extreme between very young men and young men). Or it could mean that my idea is wrong. :p


5. If this is all true then the practical takeaway from this would be to be healthy and get good sleep in order to have normal testosterone levels and lots of periods of REM sleep. And then to AB until you get lucky and your various testosterone cycles line up and you get a spike.



This is an amazing post. So many good references. Is it possible for you to post this as a general post in the main forum so I may ask AGT to sticky it?

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2017 MB=2, WD=14/15, SE=4
...last
WD 8/20
SE 7/14
MB 2/22
...
2014- MB=24,WD=3,SE=15
2013- MB=30,WD=4,SE=17
2012- MB=33,WD=4,SE=9
2011- MB=40,WD=6,SE=14
<2010- lots of MB, no WD/SE
11-15Y-age,no MB -about WD 1-2 a week


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 Post subject: Re: Qubeley's Journal
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:02 pm 
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Number of wet dreams you've experienced: 1
Circumcised or Uncut?: Circumcised (Cut)
Precum Production: Little Precum (1-2 drops before ejaculation)
Average time to orgasm/ejaculation normally: 5
Underwear worn when going to sleep.: Boxers
Have you ever had a spontaneous ejaculation?: no
If you've had a wet dream before, when did it occur after falling asleep?: 3-4 hours
Date that you last had an orgasm/ejaculation.: 17 Jan 2014
Sex: Male
Thanks Charley. I'm sure I'll still pop in sometimes. :)

Thanks jessieboy, I'm glad you found it interesting. I've posted it in the general forum and hopefully as time goes on other people might be able to share information that either supports or refutes the idea.


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