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 Post subject: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:24 pm 
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I have been browsing this forum for awhile, and have decided to join in. For years I have masturbated every day, and decided to see what it's like to abstain. Today is day 5, and it's awesome! The T-buzz feels great. I'm very horny, but that too feels good. Right now I really want to cum, but then I really want NOT to cum. I didn't realize how great it can feel to be so horny and energized. The T-buzz caused me to have a vigorous workout at the gym this morning. The girls looked sexier, and I felt stronger. Can't wait for the T-buzz to get even more intense. On to day 6. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:03 am 
Best of luck dude.

Meh, for me I been having wet dreams quite frequently. I had a wet dream two times in a row.
Although, thats because I have never masturbated.

Hopefully you will end up getting a wet dream. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:49 pm 
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Slider wrote:
I have been browsing this forum for awhile, and have decided to join in. For years I have masturbated every day, and decided to see what it's like to abstain. Today is day 5, and it's awesome! The T-buzz feels great. I'm very horny, but that too feels good. Right now I really want to cum, but then I really want NOT to cum. I didn't realize how great it can feel to be so horny and energized. The T-buzz caused me to have a vigorous workout at the gym this morning. The girls looked sexier, and I felt stronger. Can't wait for the T-buzz to get even more intense. On to day 6. :)

Welcome! Abstaining from MB allows some natural and normal aspects of sexuality to come out that were repressed by frequent MB. A guy who never tried abstaining might think that he would stay erect all the time and want to MB continuously. Instead, horniness can separate from erection and a desire to MB, and the feelings and energy can be enjoyed on their own. It goes to show that the brain/body is adapts naturally to not MBing. And what's more natural, MB that inhibits good feelings and effects, or having exciting WD's as the regular outlet?

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Meh, for me I been having wet dreams quite frequently. I had a wet dream two times in a row.
Although, thats because I have never masturbated.

Welcome! Have you never masturbated for religious or other reasons? Either way, a lot of guys are envious, and wish they could quit MB and have frequent WD's instead. They would say make sure you never start to MB.

Do you enjoy your WD's? Can you tell us what you might typically dream about?


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:51 pm 
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Day 6
I'm still really horny, but it feels good. The T-Buzz is very motivating. It would feel SOOOO good to ejaculate and relieve the pressure and fullness, but then the other good feelings and T-Buzz would be gone.

I had an idea to get through the next several weeks. My weight was 185 lbs a week or two ago. Even though I work out 5 days a week, and have developed significant muscle mass, I still have a thin layer of fat on my abdomen. I read in Men's Health that the best way to (appear to) add 20 lbs of muscle is to lose 10 lbs of fat. I have cut calories and weighed 181.6 yesterday. What does all this have to do with abstaining from MB? I am committed, no matter how intense the desire, ABSOLUTELY not to masturbate until my weight is less than 175 lbs. At that point I can continue or not, but at least I have a definite short term commitment. Now I have to live up to the promise.


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:12 am 
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Day 7

It's strange to start the morning this way. For years I've done the 5 "S" routine: S**t, shower, shave, shampoo, shoot off. By masturbating every day I was almost never horny. But now it's completely different... but good.

I'm feeling really great, energized, motivated, sensual, and or course horny. As I was lying in bed this morning, I had several waves of strong sexual feelings that seemed to wash over my body. It felt very good. My skin has become increasingly sensitive, especially around the nipples and pecs. This morning I weighed 179.0. Having a short term (I hope) goal and a contract with myself not to masturbate at least until I reach my goal or less than 175 lbs keeps me focused. After reaching the weight goal, I will decide whether or not to continue abstaining. If it feels right, I'll set another goal like a certain number of reps (I'm thinking 40 dips on the parallel bars) for an exercise at the gym.

The pressure is increasing and I'm leaking lots of precum now. I think the psychological aspect of abstaining will be easier than the physical part of fullness and pressure. On to day 8.


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:50 am 
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MB definitely inhibits enjoyable sexual feelings. Since it is built into the brain/body to be able experience positive and natural effects from abstaining, it would seem that inhibiting them by constant MB is unnatural. Same goes for WD's. Shouldn't the natural process of WD's be allowed to happen rather than be inhibited by constant MB?


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:20 am 
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Day 8
This is so paradoxical. For years I had no desire to masturbate, but did so every morning just to feel the orgasm. I was never horny. Some mornings I would forget to masturbate, and remember just as I was finishing showering. Oh, yeah... forgot to do that! Now I am extremely horny, sexually aware, energized, and have fullness, pressure and constant precum... But am not masturbating or releasing. I have to say that at this point it feels really good to retain a large volume of semen and not release. Just holding it is a turn on. So far I haven't edged, but I have found that lightly touching my chest and upper arms is very stimulating. I will have to keep all stimulation above the waist. Will I reach a point at which the heightened level of sexual feelings, both physical and psychological, will be livable and enjoyable for the long term? Or will I have "easy" days and days of struggle? Or will it be impossible to live with the unreleased sexual energy (and the huge load of semen)? But for now, today is good. On to day 9.


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:56 pm 
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Day 9

Yesterday was awesome. Lots of T-buzz, and not so horny. This morning I'm feeling the fullness again, but it's OK. It would feel very good to release the load, but even better to keep holding it.


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:36 pm 
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Slider wrote:
It would feel very good to release the load, but even better to keep holding it.
Releasing it by MB would feel good for only a few seconds. It would be followed by hormonal changes that would leave you with a 'letdown' feeling, disappointment, and loss of t-buzz. Then many times a guy will start to MB over and over again in a vain effort to bring back the feelings of the t-buzz that he lost, even if only for a few seconds.

We've seen enough WD's here to know that a big difference between MB and WD's is that you retain and even increase the t-buzz after a WD, even though the orgasm can be more intense, longer lasting, and you can ejaculate even more semen in a WD than with MB. The hormonal aftereffects of MB and WD's are simply very different.

One way to help resist the temptation to MB is to ask youself, do you ever wish you had MB'd last night, last week, or even 5 minutes ago? After 9 days, do you ever wish it was only 8, or even 0? If the answer is no, then keep going!


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:44 am 
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Hey, Slider! Thanks for sharing your journal w/us--keep us updated! It's been really interesting bec you have a good way of describing everything. Yeah, keep it up man, sounds like you are learning a lot fo things abt yourself and your body, things you never knew before. I hear you on the chest/nipple thing. Man, if I'm horny, and i touch one of my nipples a bit, it gives me almost an instant boner, haha. Seems like there is a direct nerve connection btwn my nipple and my penis. And people ask why men have nipples! haha

As far as how you will feel as you continue to abstain--you will have to find out for yourself, of course--but if you are like the rest of us, as time goes on you will probably find your horniness and t-buzz "levels" to come and go. You may have a few days in a row where your horniness will be in the negative, you will care less abt sexual stuff and it may even get tempting to MB "just to make sure everything is still OK" but avoid that temptation, it's just part of the natural ebb and flow in your hormones, you will be fine! Because then randomly you will then get a "tough" day where even the breeze can turn you on, and your t-buzz will be through the roof! Those days can be "tough" too, but for different reasons, haha. But yeah, think of it like an adventure, and see where it will take you, and man, stay strong, and your body will give you that awesome release when you sleep! And man, the best things abt WDs is that you get that awesome orgasm, but you won't feel drained afterwards, and you will feel super studly, and perhaps even hornier! It's a trip. Enjoy, bro!


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:50 pm 
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Day 11

Thanks for all the encouragement. It's amazing how different I feel, both psychologically and physically... and all for the better. The T-buzz is terrific! It's like a mood enhancing, energizing drug that's all natural, 100% safe and it's free! All I have to do is not masturbate, and the feeling is there all the time. I know that if I masturbate the T-buzz will immediately disappear, and not return until after a number of days of abstaining.

I've already felt times of "equilibrium": horniness, fullness, pressure, energy, but all pleasant and manageable, and other times when either the horniness or pressure seemed to be almost too strong, thus tempting me to MB. I am learning that both horniness and the sensation of fullness can actually diminish without masturbating, if only I can just be patient and not give in.

Right now everything is in perfect balance. On to day 12.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:10 pm 
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Day 12

Feeling good. I posted a longer post with some of my thoughts on male sexuality in the General Forum.


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:26 pm 
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Day 13

As I posted in the General Discussion forum, I'm beginning to see my goal differently than before. No more "abstinence", which implies denying myself a behavior that I really want to do. Since masturbation was a learned behavior, and not necessary for good health, survival or well being, it can be discarded as unnecessary. My body has built-in natural mechanisms for dealing with sexual tension and fluid buildup when there is no mate available. So instead of abstaining I will now concentrate on "going natural"... let nature take it's course. Any feelings that occur during the process are normal and should be felt and enjoyed for what they are. Don't fight the feelings. This is the way a normal man should feel. Some days there will be very strong urges and desires. Other days, not so much. But it's all part of the spectrum of normal male sexuality. The learned behavior of masturbation has short circuited the natural ebb and flow of our sexuality. So this in not my 13th day of abstinence, it's my 13th day of going natural.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:12 am 
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Great post! I think what you say can help inspire others to 'go natural'. The fact that the effects of 'going natural' feel good and give pleasure, even while still having an addiction to MB, are an indication that the body prefers being natural. I think getting beyond the 'short circuit' of MB allows a more mature and complete expression of sexuality.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:21 pm 
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Day 14 - Going Natural

When I was a toddler, I used to suck my thumb. As I got a little older I found other ways to manage stress and comfort myself. Later when I got my first 2 wheel bike it had training wheels. The day I learned to ride the 2 wheeler without training wheels was very liberating. I was free to ride! At 13, I learned to masturbate, and what should have been a short term tool to learn how my body functions, turned into a 10 year addiction, complete with porn, futile attempts at abstinence, and edging.

Two weeks ago I discarded my "training wheels" to allow my body to function naturally. The results have been awesome! It feels really great to go natural, now on day 14. I think a wet dream will soon be in my future.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:05 am 
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Some guys seem much more psychologically predisposed to embrace moving on than others, and your 'evolution' seems rather quick and complete. I think your thoughts and ideas can help others, so keep posting them!

It seems reasonable that part of your fundamental 'reprogramming' is occurring at the subconscious level, and that soon your reprogrammed subconscious will respond by engaging in mind blowing WD's as part of the 'going natural' process.

Good luck!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:01 pm 
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Welcome! Have you never masturbated for religious or other reasons? Either way, a lot of guys are envious, and wish they could quit MB and have frequent WD's instead. They would say make sure you never start to MB.

Do you enjoy your WD's? Can you tell us what you might typically dream about?


No, not for religous reasons I just never really tried to go beyond having a errection. I was also very naive never really having a clue about what MB was or how to MB. As for the wet dreams do I enjoy them? Absolutely. Do I like waking up from them? Depends on what happend in the dream I have. The most typicall dreams I have would be well what can I say?.....mainly women. Beautiful women. Hot Teahcers, crushes I had at school you know. Sometimes it's random women.

Infact I had this one dream where I was siting at some random table in a park. I was on my laptop browsing the internet. Then I got bored and decided to take a stroll, just leaving my laptop unattended at the table not really caring about it (wow who does that?). I then find myself walking down some stairs and I spot this beautiful girl walking up the stairs, I felt a huge buldge in my pants. I tried to hide it by changing directions and going up the stairs, as I turned around, I almost bumped into another beautiful girl who was right behind me who just stares at me. I looked at her in the face and felt my buldge in my pants grow bigger and throbbing and going out of control. Quickly I turned around and found an increase of more women walking up and down the stairs around me. At that moment I felt it, I lost control and my penis came out of nowhere out in the open where the women could see it and I just started shooting like mad no control. Where every I looked and turned to, women who were walking upstairs got hit in the face and clothes just everywhere. While the women walking dowstairs beneath me were struck on the on top their heads and continued walking without noticing. I started to panic and I ran down the stairs still shooting. The women around me looked shocked as made a run for it. I dont remember hearing any screams because I was to busy running away in shame. *Sigh* what a mess....


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No, not for religous reasons I just never really tried to go beyond having a errection. I was also very naive never really having a clue about what MB was or how to MB. As for the wet dreams do I enjoy them? Absolutely.

You make me and I'm sure others here jealous! I'm sure that we'd all say don't ever start MBing unless you want your WD's to stop. WD's feel better and are more natural than MB. There's no way that an orgasm from MB would last as long as the one you described in that dream.

How often do you get WD's on average? Do you do anything to help get one? Do you often go to sleep wanting one, or do they just happen unexpectedly by themselves?

Thanks for your replies, and may you enjoy many more WD's!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:23 pm 
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Day 15

I'm going to be away until about the middle of next month. Will post again when I return.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:27 am 
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You make me and I'm sure others here jealous! I'm sure that we'd all say don't ever start MBing unless you want your WD's to stop. WD's feel better and are more natural than MB. There's no way that an orgasm from MB would last as long as the one you described in that dream.


Hmmm...so MBing is for short term relief right? However,the more you do it the more you come to rely on it like a crutch. So does everybody who MB become addicted? Or, are there people who can use moderation with MBing?

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How often do you get WD's on average? Do you do anything to help get one? Do you often go to sleep wanting one, or do they just happen unexpectedly by themselves?


As for the average number of WD's I get, On a frequent basis, I get them 2 times a week. On a non frequent basis, I get them at least once a month. I don't do anything out of the ordinary to get a WD. Although I did notice every since I was finished with school, I tended to get more WD's because I would stay up late, and not go to bed till...3:00 a.m. Sometimes I go to bed hoping I would get a WD, and my prayers would be answered. Then the next night I would get another WD completly unexpected. So, sometimes it's random and sometimes I expect them. Keep in mind during those times I would hope to have a WD, I would often go to bed having sexual thoughts in my mind. :oops:

I remember two weeks ago, I took a short nap and woke up 2 hours later to find myself having a wet dream and that was during the same day I woke up that morning with a WD. I can understand why the people her, who are struggling to stop MB, want a WD. As you said, it's more natural, no loss of energy, pleasure, and no shame right?

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Thanks for your replies, and may you enjoy many more WD's!


No problem, I'm happy to be here answering questions and learning more. :handgestures-thumbup:


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Lazlow wrote:
Hmmm...so MBing is for short term relief right? However,the more you do it the more you come to rely on it like a crutch. So does everybody who MB become addicted? Or, are there people who can use moderation with MBing?

I tink the vast majority of people get addicted to it. Some guys end up doing it more often than others. Some may MB more than once a day, and others once a week or less, but they all become addicted to it and their WD rate drops to zero or close to it. MB once a day is pretty typical, and the chances for a WD for those guys is virtually zero. Then if they decide that they want a WD, they have difficulty abstaining long enough. And they may have to wait weeks or months to get even one WD.

One guy came here a while back who didn't enjoy his WD's. He started to MB, and then decided that he wanted his WD's back and that he enjoyed them more than MB after all. But he still had great difficulty stopping MB, and had to go a long time without MB in an effort to get one. He stopped posting here, but did post that he finally got a WD. But I'm not sure if he was ever able to get back to becoming a full time WDer. I don't think he did.

We appreciate your offer to answer questions, so I have some more. It is interesting to get an idea of how a guy who never MB's operates.
  • If you go to bed hoping for a WD, do you often get an erection when thinking sexual thoughts, or are the thoughts more 'mental' than physical?
  • Do you ever watch porn?
  • It appears than you have WD's about a variety of things. Are the feelings and intensity of the WD related to what you are dreaming about? Do you ever dream you are having intercourse?
  • When you have an especially good WD, do you stay excited and erect afterwards, and maybe have trouble going back to sleep? Do you get aroused thinking about it the next day? Does it make you look forward to another WD?
  • Do you ever sleep nude? Some guys say that helps give them more WD's, as well as finding it more erotic to sleep that way.
  • Do you get erections in the daytime much?
  • You mentioned waking up having a WD. Do you remember having a dream at those times, or just wake up ejaculating?
  • Do you ever talk about WD's and MB with friends? Are they envious that you have WD's while they are stuck with MB?
  • Can you think of any other comments about being a guy who doesn't MB and has frequent WD's?
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I can understand why the people here, who are struggling to stop MB, want a WD. As you said, it's more natural, no loss of energy, pleasure, and no shame right?

Yes, WD's are more intense, longer lasting, and more exciting than MB, with no loss of energy. MB normally gives a 'letdown' feeling and loss of energy. That last thing a guy wants after MB is to think about MB for a while. It's as if the body is saying 'don't do that', whereas with a WD you can wake up excited and happy and ready for another one.

It may be tempting for you to try to MB sometime, but as you can see here on this forum, most guys would rather be having WD's as their outlet. Almost anyone who has ever had a good WD would tell you they they would prefer to have more of them, even if they are addicted to MB and think they can't quit, and so may never get another WD.

Thanks again for your answers!


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 Post subject: Re: Slider's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:30 pm 
Texanguy wrote:
It may be tempting for you to try to MB sometime, but as you can see here on this forum, most guys would rather be having WD's as their outlet. Almost anyone who has ever had a good WD would tell you they they would prefer to have more of them, even if they are addicted to MB and think they can't quit, and so may never get another WD.
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very true, my only WD i got after 9 months of AB was awesome! I was REALLY sexually relieved when I wake up, energetic and mentally clear! It was just a heavenly feeling when you orgasm during WD. Sometime I can summon up this feeling for a second and wish for it to come again. I wish I could have turned into a full time WD after that but one month later I MB'ed and I was back to the old mode.

I am glad that lazlow is MB-free! great! keep up the good work and set up a good example for young folks.

Just to add to Texanguy questions.

1) Have you ever been tempted to MB? I mean when you have sexual pressure, how do you hand it?

I myself after AB for so long, can give MB a dirty contemptuous look! is this the case with you?

And yes LAZLOW, once you start MB it is addictive. I have been in the multiple MB per day folk, then after AB for some time and coming back I decided to at least do it in moderation, like once per week or so. But still , some time if you do it too soon everything is messed up and you feel loss of energy and stuff. I can tell that even if you do it in moderation, you still don't have the t-buzz and mental focus that one has while AB. so even MB in moderation is just not that good (at least for me)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:00 pm 
Texanguy wrote:
If you go to bed hoping for a WD, do you often get an erection when thinking sexual thoughts, or are the thoughts more 'mental' than physical?


Eh...I tend to picture an mental image which helps me often get an erection.

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Do you ever watch porn?


I watched porn before but that was years ago due to finding it on my brother's computer. Now the only porn I see is the annoying stuff that pops up on your compter sceen. So no I don't watch porn.


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It appears than you have WD's about a variety of things. Are the feelings and intensity of the WD related to what you are dreaming about? Do you ever dream you are having intercourse?


Yeah, it feels like the real deal everything that's happening in the WD. The touch of skin, texture, and the pulse of my own member felt real almost as if I had to pee real bad. Yes, I've had dreams dealing with intercourse, It felt like I was actually going through the motions of having sex, thrusting, speed increasing with each thrust.


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When you have an especially good WD, do you stay excited and erect afterwards, and maybe have trouble going back to sleep? Do you get aroused thinking about it the next day? Does it make you look forward to another WD?


When I have really good wet dream, I stay excited and have trouble going back to sleep. The next day when I start thinking about it I get aroused having that feeling of "Damn that felt good". And of course I'm looking forward to the next WD.

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Do you ever sleep nude? Some guys say that helps give them more WD's, as well as finding it more erotic to sleep that way.


No I don't sleep nude. I've actually tried that a few times and to be honest. When I sleep nude I don't get WD's but the next time I sleep on with my boxers, I get a WD.

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Do you get erections in the daytime much?


Yes, I get them frequently. It always seems for me that erections happen at the worse possible time though.

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You mentioned waking up having a WD. Do you remember having a dream at those times, or just wake up ejaculating?


No, I don't wake up finding myself ejaculating at that moment. I just woke up having no recollection of having a dream at all, just waking up finding a stain on my boxers.

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Do you ever talk about WD's and MB with friends? Are they envious that you have WD's while they are stuck with MB?


No, I'm a shy guy with inexperience, so when a discussion with friends is about MB,dating, sex, and women I act differently. Now this what I would think my friends would say if I had discussed with them that I have never masturbated. "What's wrong with you?" "Masturbation isn't a sin you know!" "You must be crazy!" "I could never live without Masturbation." "You should try it!" "It makes you forget about your promblems."

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Can you think of any other comments about being a guy who doesn't MB and has frequent WD's?


I feel different from other people. People my age usually masturbate daily, and I feel sorta left out when I want to be inside of it all. I ask myself this question: "Why haven't masturbated?" I mean I had the oppurtunity for years. My guess is my inxeperience and shyness during the beginning stages of puberty caused me to never explore my bodie's sexual capabilities. I also then remember my first wet dream I had during my highschool sophmore year, I'll never forget that morning I woke up. I felt so confused, and ashamed at myself for what I thought was me urinating on my self. I just never brought it up with anybody, I kept to myself trying to forget about it but it happend again, again, and again not every single day of course. Fast foward to this day, and go a couple of months back, was when I was looking up more information about WD's. This site was what pop on google too. So I felt better, about myself, knowing that it was natural to have WD's. As for the MB, I just never wanted to try it, because I knew I would lose my WD's. And the work it involves trying to do that. I wouldn't trade in my WD's for the world.

I hope I provided you with some more insight.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:32 pm 
nombl4wd wrote:
very true, my only WD i got after 9 months of AB was awesome! I was REALLY sexually relieved when I wake up, energetic and mentally clear! It was just a heavenly feeling when you orgasm during WD. Sometime I can summon up this feeling for a second and wish for it to come again. I wish I could have turned into a full time WD after that but one month later I MB'ed and I was back to the old mode.


Yeah, I feel that my mind is clear and I'm ready to take on whatever comes my way.

nombl4wd wrote:
I am glad that lazlow is MB-free! great! keep up the good work and set up a good example for young folks.

I think most of the young folks resent me.


nombl4wd wrote:
1) Have you ever been tempted to MB? I mean when you have sexual pressure, how do you hand it?


When I read up about MB, aquiring more knowledge about I became curious to try it, but I failed. Maybe if tried to do it with porn..... :whistle:
The way I handle my sexual pressure is through wet dreams. Since they are frequent I rely on them more often. Or if the sexual pressure is so great I calmly try to think of things that would stymie my sexual pressure which usually works.

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I myself after AB for so long, can give MB a dirty contemptuous look! is this the case with you?

Yeah, I'm feeling that exactly. Perhaps it's because people around me feel that masturbation is good for you and abstaining is not healthy, and I try to defend myself. Also masturbation can be linked with porn, and when someone I knew remarked saying they would rather watch and jack off to two poeple having sex, then have sex with their girlfriend I felt sick.

nombl4wd wrote:
And yes LAZLOW, once you start MB it is addictive. I have been in the multiple MB per day folk, then after AB for some time and coming back I decided to at least do it in moderation, like once per week or so. But still , some time if you do it too soon everything is messed up and you feel loss of energy and stuff. I can tell that even if you do it in moderation, you still don't have the t-buzz and mental focus that one has while AB. so even MB in moderation is just not that good (at least for me)


Ah...I see.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:26 pm 
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I think coming to this site may have been beneficial for you as well as us. It seems that you might have thought you were weird and alone before. It appears that many guys have concerns about their WD's and don't always enjoy them at first. But now you are older and enjoying them more, and you now also know that you can and should enjoy the natural and normal outlet of WD's.

While in the US and Europe MB is accepted as normal, other cultures, especially Asian ones, tend to see MB as a waste of energy and unhealthy, and WD's as normal. Millions of guys around the world don't MB and have WD's as their outlet

You described some things that are different between MB and WD's
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Yeah, it feels like the real deal everything that's happening in the WD. The touch of skin, texture, and the pulse of my own member felt real almost as if I had to pee real bad. Yes, I've had dreams dealing with intercourse, It felt like I was actually going through the motions of having sex, thrusting, speed increasing with each thrust.

MB can never, ever, equal the vivid realism you describe. MBers can only fantasize while MBing, while you actually experience the 'real deal'. If and when the time comes that you have waking sex, you will be better prepared and rehearsed than MBers. They are addicted to strong stimulation by hand that they can't get during sex. You can also better wait for the right time and person to do it with while awake, since you are already 'getting it' in WD's.

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When I have really good wet dream, I stay excited and have trouble going back to sleep. The next day when I start thinking about it I get aroused having that feeling of "Damn that felt good". And of course I'm looking forward to the next WD.

The pleasure of a WD can continue after the WD itself is over. It leaves you with positive, excited feelings. A WD is like having an enjoyable dinner of some of your favorite foods at a good restaurant, and then when done you think back with pleasure about how good the food was, and how you'd like to go back again.

In contrast, MB inevitably leads to a 'letdown' feeling. It is like gobbling down so-so food because you were hungry, and then you feel too full. You didn't enjoy the meal that much, and you don't even want to think about food for a while when done, especially about the food you just ate. But you eventually get hungry and repeat the same process again, never having a really good meal, and always feeling a bit disgusted with food for a while each time after finishing.

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No I don't sleep nude. I've actually tried that a few times and to be honest. When I sleep nude I don't get WD's but the next time I sleep on with my boxers, I get a WD.

Some of that may be timing. I think many guys are nude inside their WD's, so sleeping nude is kind of erotic and shows a 'readiness' for WD's. Obviously all WDers don't sleep nude, but statistically I think a higher percentage may do so than MBers do.

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Fast foward to this day, and go a couple of months back, was when I was looking up more information about WD's. This site was what pop on google too. So I felt better, about myself, knowing that it was natural to have WD's. As for the MB, I just never wanted to try it, because I knew I would lose my WD's. And the work it involves trying to do that. I wouldn't trade in my WD's for the world.

Like I said, many guys think you've got it right and wish they could be like you.

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I myself after AB for so long, can give MB a dirty contemptuous look! is this the case with you?

Yeah, I'm feeling that exactly. Perhaps it's because people around me feel that masturbation is good for you and abstaining is not healthy, and I try to defend myself. Also masturbation can be linked with porn, and when someone I knew remarked saying they would rather watch and jack off to two poeple having sex, then have sex with their girlfriend I felt sick.

Yes, a negative attitude about MB, and seeing it as an inferior outlet is actually pretty realistic.

Thanks again for all your comments!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:35 am 
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Day 17

Well, I'm finally back online. Last month I reached a point where the fullness and pressure were just too much to bear. But today is day 17 of my current quest to go natural long term. This time I've tried something different. Absolutely no edging, erotic touching, mental edging, porn, or other purposeful sexual stimulation. And it worked perfectly through day 16. I never felt better, almost euphoric due to t-buzz. Energy was great, slept well, got lots done during the day. My desire to MB was zero, and I only felt vaguely horny. This morning all this changed. Now I am extremely horny, my "tank" is completely full and I really need to ejaculate... soon. The last time I ejaculated was June 19, which seems a very long time ago. I'm going to try to hold on at least another 6 days, which will beat my previous length of time by several days. This is going to be difficult... OMG I REALLY need to cum! Will post how things are going tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:06 am 
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Day 17

...My desire to MB was zero, and I only felt vaguely horny. This morning all this changed. Now I am extremely horny, my "tank" is completely full and I really need to ejaculate... soon. The last time I ejaculated was June 19, which seems a very long time ago. I'm going to try to hold on at least another 6 days, which will beat my previous length of time by several days. This is going to be difficult... OMG I REALLY need to cum! Will post how things are going tomorrow.

Welcome back! You obviously have a strong desire and conviction to go natural and avoid MB. If you feel like you "REALLY need to cum", try to convert that to 'really need to cum in an exciting WD'. At the same time be absolutely sure in your mind that MB can't give you what you want ...because it really can't, right?

So wait it out, enjoy the feelings, and you'll get what you want eventually.

Good luck!


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Day 18

That was close. Almost gave in yesterday afternoon. But I proved to myself that one of the key factors in addiction recovery is to understand, accept and believe that strong urges to do the unwanted behavior will subside without giving in to the addiction. This morning I feel great. Good T-buzz, good workout at the gym, no urges, just back to the pleasant way I felt on day 16.

This is the time that makes me anxious because twice I failed on day 21. I really want to make it to day 22 so that my old ceiling becomes my new floor.


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Day 19

No strong urges, but still feeling very horny and full. Today the feelings are good and energizing. Had a great workout this morning. Increased the weights on all of the machines. The T-buzz really works!

I'm beginning to miss getting aroused. It would feel really good to get turned on and edge, even if I didn't cum. But I know where that would lead, and I don't want to go there.


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Day 20 - Going natural

Yesterday afternoon I lay down for a nap and had the most amazing feelings. It was a euphoric feeling that was both mental and physical. The feeling of fullness that had bothered me so much in the previous days felt natural and very good. I can't remember ever having such a sense of peace and well being. This morning I feel great... energy, T-buzz, motivated. I hope that I am beginning to accept as normal the full feeling, because right now it feels good. Several days ago on a scale of 0-10 my desire to ejaculate was at 9. Now it's about 2, and my desire NOT to MB is 10. I may not be able to post again until 7-13-10 due to lack of "computer privacy". On to day 21.


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